On this episode of Objection! You’re Fiction!, Lee Bergstein and Jamie Kleidman are joined by Kivonshe Williams, founder and editor of So There’s That, a film and television criticism podcast and publication, to break down Episodes 3 and 4 of HBO’s War.
As Morgan and Carla’s increasingly contentious divorce moves toward the courtroom, the lines between right and wrong become harder to distinguish. With a £110 million settlement offer withheld from a client, questionable legal strategies, and the personal ambitions of both law firms threatening to overshadow their clients’ interests, Lee, Jamie, and Kivonshe examine what happens when winning becomes more important than professional responsibility.
Drawing on Kivonshe’s perspective as a filmmaker and critic, the trio explores how War uses moral ambiguity, class dynamics, and complicated relationships to challenge viewers’ assumptions about who the heroes and villains really are. The conversation also examines the psychological tactics employed by St. John, the growing ethical implications of Johnny’s role as a mole, and how the personal lives of the attorneys are influencing their professional judgment.
From the realities of litigation and attorney-client obligations to the emotional manipulation, power struggles, and increasingly questionable decisions driving the story forward, this episode asks whether War’s lawyers are actually fighting for their clients or simply fighting to win.
To learn more about Kivonshe Williams and So There’s That, visit sotheresthatpodcast.com.
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